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 John Adams (1735–1826): As one of the pivotal figures in the founding of the United States, Adams was instrumental in shaping a government designed to balance radical revolutionary impulses with centuries-old European traditions of governance and law. He saw the source of order as inherently tied to the personal virtues of individuals and the quality of the constitutional arrangements that harness these virtues. In 1776 he wrote this about a fully democratic "assembly, possessed of all the powers of government, would make arbitrary laws for their own interest, execute all laws arbitrarily for their own interest, and advantage all controversies in their own favor." - [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Thoughts_on_Government_Applicable_to_the/srtLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA189&printsec=frontcover "Thoughts on Government"]
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+===Conservative Credo===
 The conservative credo is a philosophical framework that emphasizes individual liberty, moral responsibility, and limited government, rooted in enduring truths and traditions. One influential articulation comes from Frank S. Meyer, a key figure in postwar American conservatism, who outlined his vision in In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo (1962).
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 As Barbara J. Elliott put it in her own version of the credo, conservatism seeks “the Truth that has emerged over time,” honors the family, community, and faith, and values subsidiarity—solving problems at the most local level possible.
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	John Adams (1735–1826): As one of the pivotal figures in the founding of the United States, Adams was instrumental in shaping a government designed to balance radical revolutionary impulses with centuries-old European traditions of governance and law. He saw the source of order as inherently tied to the personal virtues of individuals and the quality of the constitutional arrangements that harness these virtues. In 1776 he wrote this about a fully democratic "assembly, possessed of all the powers of government, would make arbitrary laws for their own interest, execute all laws arbitrarily for their own interest, and advantage all controversies in their own favor." - [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Thoughts_on_Government_Applicable_to_the/srtLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA189&printsec=frontcover "Thoughts on Government"]		John Adams (1735–1826): As one of the pivotal figures in the founding of the United States, Adams was instrumental in shaping a government designed to balance radical revolutionary impulses with centuries-old European traditions of governance and law. He saw the source of order as inherently tied to the personal virtues of individuals and the quality of the constitutional arrangements that harness these virtues. In 1776 he wrote this about a fully democratic "assembly, possessed of all the powers of government, would make arbitrary laws for their own interest, execute all laws arbitrarily for their own interest, and advantage all controversies in their own favor." - [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Thoughts_on_Government_Applicable_to_the/srtLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA189&printsec=frontcover "Thoughts on Government"]

		+	===Conservative conservative credoredo===
		+	The conservative credo is a philosophical framework that emphasizes individual liberty, moral responsibility, and limited government, rooted in enduring truths and traditions. One influential articulation comes from Frank S. Meyer, a key figure in postwar American conservatism, who outlined his vision in In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo (1962).
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		+	Core Principles of the Conservative Credo
		+	* Freedom as a Political End: Meyer argued that freedom is the highest political value, allowing individuals to pursue virtue voluntarily—not through coercion.
		+	* Moral Order: While the state should not enforce morality, conservatives believe that virtue is essential to a free society and must be cultivated through culture, family, and faith.
		+	* Fusion of Libertarianism and Traditionalism: Meyer’s “fusionism” blended libertarian means (limited government, free markets) with traditionalist ends (moral order, cultural continuity).
		+	* Skepticism of Power: Conservatives are wary of concentrated power—whether in government or centralized institutions—because of humanity’s fallibility.
		+	* Cultural Primacy: Political problems are seen as downstream from cultural and spiritual decay, so conservatives prioritize cultural renewal over political revolution.
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		+	As Barbara J. Elliott put it in her own version of the credo, conservatism seeks “the Truth that has emerged over time,” honors the family, community, and faith, and values subsidiarity—solving problems at the most local level possible.
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 ==Technological Conservatism==
-Known by many name, like Legacy-First Design, conservative technology has a comforting feel when everything else is changing and subject to constant attack from the Internet. When lives and fortunes are at stake rigorous compliance with all possible security specifications may be demanded by the customer. But in the Venture Capital world of today with the underlying technology being obsoleted every few year, such rigor is uncommon.  See the wiki page on [[Social Control of Technology]] for techniques applicable to long-term projects where [[]Conservative Systems] are demanded.
+Known by many name, like Legacy-First Design, conservative technology has a comforting feel when everything else is changing and subject to constant attack from the Internet. When lives and fortunes are at stake rigorous compliance with all possible security specifications may be demanded by the customer. But in the Venture Capital world of today with the underlying technology being obsoleted every few year, such rigor is uncommon.  See the wiki page on [[Social Control of Technology]] for techniques applicable to long-term projects where [[Conservative Systems]] are demanded.
 ==Political Conservatism==

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 ==Technological Conservatism==
-Known by many name, like Legacy-First Design, conservative technology has a comforting feel when everything else is changing and subject to constant attack from the Internet.
+Known by many name, like Legacy-First Design, conservative technology has a comforting feel when everything else is changing and subject to constant attack from the Internet. When lives and fortunes are at stake rigorous compliance with all possible security specifications may be demanded by the customer. But in the Venture Capital world of today with the underlying technology being obsoleted every few year, such rigor is uncommon.  See the wiki page on [[Social Control of Technology]] for techniques applicable to long-term projects where [[]Conservative Systems] are demanded.
 ==Political Conservatism==

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 ## While conservative systems may face challenges in adapting to big changes, it's important to recognize that they can also provide stability and continuity during turbulent times. Finding a balance between preserving core values and embracing necessary changes is crucial for long-term success.
 ===Stability===
-All [[Conservative Systems]] depend on stability, but not system survives forever, so stability must be defined within some expected lifetime. In a quantum system, the duration might be milliseconds, in a planetary system stability is measured in Lyapunov time — roughly 5 million years, which measures how quickly nearby orbits diverge.
+All [[Conservative Systems]] depend on stability, but not systems survive forever, so stability must be defined within some expected lifetime. In a quantum system, the duration might be milliseconds, in a planetary system stability is measured in Lyapunov time — roughly 5 million years, which measures how quickly nearby orbits diverge.
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 * Conservatism is based on the belief that man as a whole is too weak and inadequate to govern himself, and therefor requires the educated man to interpret the historic record to produce the laws by which he is governed. - abstracted from Edmund Burke "Reflections" 1790
-Edmund Burke (1729–1797): Lived through the Enlightenment and witnessed the stirrings of industrial and political change in Britain and Europe. His conservative ideals stemmed from observing both the promise and the peril of Enlightenment rationalism unmoored from tradition. For him [[Order]] was predetermined by some transcendent force and was not just the accident of history. He also considered property rights to be inherited rather than inherent, meaning that they were passed down through generations rather than being universally granted. Burke was generally skeptical of intellectual property as a concept preferring the historical definition of "Real Property" as in Real Estate.
+Edmund Burke (1729–1797): Lived through the Enlightenment and witnessed the stirrings of industrial and political change in Britain and Europe. His conservative ideals stemmed from observing both the promise and the peril of Enlightenment rationalism unmoored from tradition. For him [[Order]] was predetermined by some transcendent force and was not just the accident of history. He also considered property rights to be inherited rather than inherent, meaning that they were passed down through generations rather than being universally granted. Burke was generally skeptical of intellectual property as a concept preferring the historical definition of "Real Property" as in Real Estate. Similarly real money was not paper, nor entries in a ledger.
 Burke and many of his followers, like John C Calhoun, believed that the "Constitution" came from god. Burke believed that each nation had the right to their own god's given constitution. Others felt that the only legitimate source was the God of the Church of England which allows for the conversion and non-existent right of the Indians, both in South Asia and America. Burke worked to give the Indians the right to chose there own gods and hence their own constitution.<ref name="kirk">Russel Kirk, ''The Conservative Mind'' ISBN ‎ 0895266709</ref>

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 Edmund Burke (1729–1797): Lived through the Enlightenment and witnessed the stirrings of industrial and political change in Britain and Europe. His conservative ideals stemmed from observing both the promise and the peril of Enlightenment rationalism unmoored from tradition. For him [[Order]] was predetermined by some transcendent force and was not just the accident of history.
-Burke and many of his followers believed that the "Constitution" came from god. Burke believed that each nation had the right to their own god's given constitution. Others felt that the only legitimate source was the God of the Church of England which allows for the conversion and non-existent right of the Indians, both in South Asia and America.
+Burke and many of his followers believed that the "Constitution" came from god. Burke believed that each nation had the right to their own god's given constitution. Others felt that the only legitimate source was the God of the Church of England which allows for the conversion and non-existent right of the Indians, both in South Asia and America..<ref name="kirk">Russel Kirk, ''The Conservative Mind'' ISBN ‎ 0895266709</ref>
 John Adams (1735–1826): As one of the pivotal figures in the founding of the United States, Adams was instrumental in shaping a government designed to balance radical revolutionary impulses with centuries-old European traditions of governance and law. He saw the source of order as inherently tied to the personal virtues of individuals and the quality of the constitutional arrangements that harness these virtues. In 1776 he wrote this about a fully democratic "assembly, possessed of all the powers of government, would make arbitrary laws for their own interest, execute all laws arbitrarily for their own interest, and advantage all controversies in their own favor." - [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Thoughts_on_Government_Applicable_to_the/srtLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA189&printsec=frontcover "Thoughts on Government"]