<?xml version="1.0"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en">
		<id>http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=OIDC_User_Experience</id>
		<title>OIDC User Experience - Revision history</title>
		<link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?action=history&amp;feed=atom&amp;title=OIDC_User_Experience"/>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=OIDC_User_Experience&amp;action=history"/>
		<updated>2026-09-08T01:23:01Z</updated>
		<subtitle>Revision history for this page on the wiki</subtitle>
		<generator>MediaWiki 1.27.4</generator>

	<entry>
		<id>http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=OIDC_User_Experience&amp;diff=15024&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Tom: /* References */</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=OIDC_User_Experience&amp;diff=15024&amp;oldid=prev"/>
				<updated>2022-07-03T19:47:41Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;References&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;table class=&quot;diff diff-contentalign-left&quot; data-mw=&quot;interface&quot;&gt;
				&lt;col class='diff-marker' /&gt;
				&lt;col class='diff-content' /&gt;
				&lt;col class='diff-marker' /&gt;
				&lt;col class='diff-content' /&gt;
				&lt;tr style='vertical-align: top;' lang='en'&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan='2' style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 19:47, 3 July 2022&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l27&quot; &gt;Line 27:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 27:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==References==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==References==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Category: Identifier]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Category: Federation]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Tom</name></author>	</entry>

	<entry>
		<id>http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=OIDC_User_Experience&amp;diff=15023&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Tom: Created page with &quot;==Full Title or Meme==  ==Context==  * Kim Cameron articulated early that &quot;The internet was built without an identity layer&quot;, by which he meant an organic life form identity l...&quot;</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tcwiki.azurewebsites.net/index.php?title=OIDC_User_Experience&amp;diff=15023&amp;oldid=prev"/>
				<updated>2022-07-03T19:46:49Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;==Full Title or Meme==  ==Context==  * Kim Cameron articulated early that &amp;quot;The internet was built without an identity layer&amp;quot;, by which he meant an organic life form identity l...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;==Full Title or Meme==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Context==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Kim Cameron articulated early that &amp;quot;The internet was built without an identity layer&amp;quot;, by which he meant an organic life form identity layer.&lt;br /&gt;
*Clearly the DNS is a silicon life form identity layer where each silicon life form gets an IP address.&lt;br /&gt;
*OIX &amp;amp; OpenID foundation want to address this with Identity first.&lt;br /&gt;
*The problem is that (most Western) humans do not want to be objectified. (I admit I never understood Confucius.)&lt;br /&gt;
*So, identifiers and attributes (nouns and adjectives) are antithetical to privacy.&lt;br /&gt;
*Does privacy impact OpenID foundation? - yes it does! T-Cell designed to destroy the virus created by OIX &amp;amp; OpenID.&lt;br /&gt;
*Somehow ecosystems have evolved to accommodate both. So we know that it can be done.&lt;br /&gt;
*I was musing about the self-sovereign community and how they chose to accommodate privacy and identity.&lt;br /&gt;
*So the DID core spec has evolved to have no concept of the distinction between organic and silicon life forms.  In other words, it is amoral.&lt;br /&gt;
*What they have created to enable the distinction is the type in the VC and [[Governance Framework]]s to regulate ecosystems.&lt;br /&gt;
*Or in other words, they have recreated federations (or governments) using other words to make it sound like something new and different.&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[Governance Framework]]s are [[Ethics|Ethical frameworks]], or morals. (I do understand Aristotle.)&lt;br /&gt;
*FAPI exists within a [[Governance Framework]] which eventually goes back to a financial framework which is backed by laws which are backed by morals.&lt;br /&gt;
*The same can be said to apply to the mobile phone work group in OIDF or any other specific application area.&lt;br /&gt;
*The AB/C work group seems to have chosen to avoid consideration of [[Governance Framework]]s. (and that has worked up until now.)&lt;br /&gt;
*So the question for OIDF AB/C is whether to address the [[Governance Framework]] for OIDC (or its successor spec)?&lt;br /&gt;
*For identifiers to work with privacy, IMHO such a common [[Governance Framework]] is required.&lt;br /&gt;
*Perhaps that is how to deal with the disruption that the browser guys are creating.&lt;br /&gt;
*As of right now there is not a common framework between the privacy-first and the identity-first advocates.&lt;br /&gt;
*As a result, it is hard for OIDF to formulate a strong case to present to the browser guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*At a minimum I propose that we need a framework that deals with both identity and privacy as equals.&lt;br /&gt;
*Or we can just let them continue on their path and try to accommodate to their framework.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Tom</name></author>	</entry>

	</feed>