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 [[Order]] is like beauty, it appears to be in the eye of the beholder. So if the universe is not beautiful until is beheld, can order be any different? <ref>Max Tegmark ''Life 3.0''. (2017) ISBN 9781101946596</ref>
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 The question about the relationship between [[Order]], [[Information]] and [[Entropy]] is not clear as each comes with a different set of assumptions.  If I take a box of gas and slide a partition between the right and left sides and label all of the gas particles in the right side as '''R''' and all of the particles in the left side as '''L'''. I then remove the partition, wait a short while the particles will be all mixed up. So the order I created by labeling the particles is lost. The particles are now disordered.

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 Humans are always seeking some [[Stability]] and take comfort from [[Order]]. "Before the hills in order stood, Or earth received her frame, From everlasting thou art God, To endless years the same" is part of the hymn "O God, Our Help in Ages Past" written by Isaac Watts. This hymn is a powerful expression of God's timelessness and unwavering presence throughout history and eternity.
-But Heraclitus said "Everything flows" and "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for you are not the same person and it is not the same river."
+But Heraclitus preached a world of change and flux. He said "Everything flows" and "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for you are not the same person and it is not the same river."
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	Perhaps humans, or our robots, will be able to find a more advanced civilization that will have a better plan?		Perhaps humans, or our robots, will be able to find a more advanced civilization that will have a better plan?
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		+	Humans are always seeking some [[Stability]] and take comfort from [[Order]]. "Before the hills in order stood, Or earth received her frame, From everlasting thou art God, To endless years the same" is part of the hymn "O God, Our Help in Ages Past" written by Isaac Watts. This hymn is a powerful expression of God's timelessness and unwavering presence throughout history and eternity.
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		+	But Heraclitus said "Everything flows" and "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for you are not the same person and it is not the same river."

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 When things seem to be going in some well thought-out plan.
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 * See the wiki page [[Chaos and Order]].
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 [[Order]] is like beauty, it appears to be in the eye of the beholder. So if the universe is not beautiful until is beheld, can order be any different? <ref>Max Tegmark ''Life 3.0''. (2017) ISBN 9781101946596</ref>
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-The question about the relationship between [[Order]], [[Information]] and [[Entropy]] is not clear as each comes with a different set of assumptions.  If I take a box of gas and slide a partition between the right and left sides and label all of the gas particles in the right side as &Racute; and all of the particles in the left side as &Lcaron;. I then remove the partition, wait a short while the particles will be all mixed up. So the order I created by labeling the particles is lost. The prticles are now disordered.
+The question about the relationship between [[Order]], [[Information]] and [[Entropy]] is not clear as each comes with a different set of assumptions.  If I take a box of gas and slide a partition between the right and left sides and label all of the gas particles in the right side as &#0158; and all of the particles in the left side as &#013D. I then remove the partition, wait a short while the particles will be all mixed up. So the order I created by labeling the particles is lost. The particles are now disordered.
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-The fact is that human kind evolved to take advantage of the flow of energy and matter that is available to us in our tiny little backwater of the whole wide universe. For us then order is the ecosystem where we were bred and the flow of energy that's available to us, nearly all of which comes from the apparently inexhaustible flow of photons from the sun and the collection of elements from prior suns. Into this ecosystem the idea of order an entropy has meaning. Other micro ecosystems might have very different concepts of order and the flow of time. And so entropy calculations might yield very different results.
+The fact is that human kind evolved to take advantage of the flow of energy and matter that is available to us in our tiny little backwater of the whole wide universe. For us then order is the ecosystem where we were bred and the flow of energy that's available to us, nearly all of which comes from the apparently inexhaustible flow of photons from the sun and the collection of elements from prior suns. Into this ecosystem the idea of order an entropy has meaning. Other micro ecosystems might have very different concepts of order and the flow of time. And so [[Entropy]] calculations might yield very different results.
 Even though civilization has known about Europa, Jupiter's fourth largest moon, for over 4 centuries, it is only recently that planetary scientists have probed there for signs of life. Europa shares the mixture of solid, liquid and gaseous matter present on Earth. "Essentially everywhere on Earth that there's water, there's life. Could there be life on Europa?"<ref>Stephen Ormes, ''The search for extraterrestrial life is targeting Jupiter’s icy moon Europa'' Technology Review 2024-04 https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/02/19/1087988/nasa-europa-clipper-mission-jupiter-extraterrestrial-life/) p. 38ff.</ref> If there were it would be nothing like the soft humans that life an earth as the client is some much for severe there.